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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

How you could gather that is beyond me.  I pointed to what Madison and Jefferson said about the intent of the First Amendment.  With respect to the early actions of the government inconsistent with their view (including even some of their own actions), I pointed to Madison&#039;s own explanation.  Just as the government today struggles and sometimes fails to adhere to the Constitution, the government did then as well.  I agree with Madison&#039;s approach that we should not enshrine our mistakes as precedent, but rather minimize their damage by reversing them if possible or, failing that, at least discounting them as trifles or faults.

Secularism is not atheism.  

I suppose if you truly believe that it is impossible to have a secular government that remains neutral in matters of religion, then you may regard efforts to keep church and state separate as nonsense.  Unconstrained by any aim for neutrality, you may see this as one big free for all competition in which every religion vies for the prize--a government to do its bidding and promote its views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>How you could gather that is beyond me.  I pointed to what Madison and Jefferson said about the intent of the First Amendment.  With respect to the early actions of the government inconsistent with their view (including even some of their own actions), I pointed to Madison&#8217;s own explanation.  Just as the government today struggles and sometimes fails to adhere to the Constitution, the government did then as well.  I agree with Madison&#8217;s approach that we should not enshrine our mistakes as precedent, but rather minimize their damage by reversing them if possible or, failing that, at least discounting them as trifles or faults.</p>
<p>Secularism is not atheism.  </p>
<p>I suppose if you truly believe that it is impossible to have a secular government that remains neutral in matters of religion, then you may regard efforts to keep church and state separate as nonsense.  Unconstrained by any aim for neutrality, you may see this as one big free for all competition in which every religion vies for the prize&#8211;a government to do its bidding and promote its views.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason M</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gather from what you are saying is that you believe you understand the original intent of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to a greater degree than the framers who penned it. If the framers intended the First Amendment to be a complete wall of separation between Church and State, then they violated their own First Amendment with frequency. Your dismissal of these so called violations is simply “old habits die hard”.  James Madison the primary author of the Constitution and later the Bill of Rights himself took the oath of office as the fourth President of the United States on the Bible. According to your interpretation of the establishment clause, this would be a violation of the First Amendment which Madison himself wrote. Your interpretation also states that they established a secular government devoid of all religion. Atheism itself is a form of religion and disenfranchises those that believe in a deity based religion, and thus would also be a violation of your interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gather from what you are saying is that you believe you understand the original intent of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to a greater degree than the framers who penned it. If the framers intended the First Amendment to be a complete wall of separation between Church and State, then they violated their own First Amendment with frequency. Your dismissal of these so called violations is simply “old habits die hard”.  James Madison the primary author of the Constitution and later the Bill of Rights himself took the oath of office as the fourth President of the United States on the Bible. According to your interpretation of the establishment clause, this would be a violation of the First Amendment which Madison himself wrote. Your interpretation also states that they established a secular government devoid of all religion. Atheism itself is a form of religion and disenfranchises those that believe in a deity based religion, and thus would also be a violation of your interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lorenzo,

I agree that determining the intent of the drafters may be aided by looking beyond the words of the Constitution and reviewing things pertinent to what they had in mind.  If the text itself does not entirely reveal its meaning, courts may look to external aids to interpretation, primarily the legislative history as revealed in the records of the proceedings on the drafting and adopting of the Constitution; if that does not suffice to resolve the matter, they may look further afield, such as to statements by individual founders that speak of the intended meaning of this or that provision of the Constitution.  When interpreting the First Amendment, the Supreme Court did just that in reviewing Jefferson&#039;s and Madison&#039;s statements on point.  A court could, I suppose, look even further afield and take note of more generalized expressions of religiosity by individual founders.  But since entirely religious founders may well have intended in the Constitution to keep government separate from religion and with good reason, what then could the court make of general expressions of piety by this or that founder?  Answer: not much.

In discussing this, it is important to distinguish government from society.  As you note, at the time of the founding, Christianity was a dominant religious influence in society.  It remains so today, though perhaps not to the same degree.  Perhaps too some of the founders even expressed preferences for American society to remain that way.  

Whatever their personal religious views and whatever their preferences for society&#039;s future, in the Constitution, the founders plainly established a secular government on the power of the people (not a diety) and said nothing substantive of god(s) or religion except in the First Amendment where the point is to confirm that each person enjoys religious liberty and that the government is not to establish religion and another provision precluding any religious test for public office.  Indeed, it may well be that they chose this form of government convinced that it would afford their religion(s) the best opportunity to flourish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lorenzo,</p>
<p>I agree that determining the intent of the drafters may be aided by looking beyond the words of the Constitution and reviewing things pertinent to what they had in mind.  If the text itself does not entirely reveal its meaning, courts may look to external aids to interpretation, primarily the legislative history as revealed in the records of the proceedings on the drafting and adopting of the Constitution; if that does not suffice to resolve the matter, they may look further afield, such as to statements by individual founders that speak of the intended meaning of this or that provision of the Constitution.  When interpreting the First Amendment, the Supreme Court did just that in reviewing Jefferson&#8217;s and Madison&#8217;s statements on point.  A court could, I suppose, look even further afield and take note of more generalized expressions of religiosity by individual founders.  But since entirely religious founders may well have intended in the Constitution to keep government separate from religion and with good reason, what then could the court make of general expressions of piety by this or that founder?  Answer: not much.</p>
<p>In discussing this, it is important to distinguish government from society.  As you note, at the time of the founding, Christianity was a dominant religious influence in society.  It remains so today, though perhaps not to the same degree.  Perhaps too some of the founders even expressed preferences for American society to remain that way.  </p>
<p>Whatever their personal religious views and whatever their preferences for society&#8217;s future, in the Constitution, the founders plainly established a secular government on the power of the people (not a diety) and said nothing substantive of god(s) or religion except in the First Amendment where the point is to confirm that each person enjoys religious liberty and that the government is not to establish religion and another provision precluding any religious test for public office.  Indeed, it may well be that they chose this form of government convinced that it would afford their religion(s) the best opportunity to flourish.</p>
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		<title>By: lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I think we are in danger of doing here is just looking at one phrase here, and not looking at the context of ,as Jason said the time in which it was written and the lives of those who wrote it. Doug, you cannot just throw out the way these men lived out what they wrote, these men were very much dependent on God and on His guidance and direction in the Framing of our Constitution, the most researched document was the Bible .
Even John Jay our first ever Supreme Court Justice said this &quot;No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom; both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion applied and accepted by all classes. Should our Republic ever forget these fundamental principles of governance, men are certain to shed their responsibilities for licentiousness and this great experiment will surely be doomed”. he even went so far as to say that  “Providence has given unto our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers”.  And even Alexander Hamilton in a letter to James Baynard in 1802 said “I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated “The Christian Constitution Society” its object to be first: The support of Christian Religion. Second: The support of the United States.” so you can&#039;t say that they didn&#039;t  mean &quot;In God we trust&quot; when they said they did, This nation was founded on Christian Ideology and principles and to say it wasn&#039;t is to totally throw out and deny history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I think we are in danger of doing here is just looking at one phrase here, and not looking at the context of ,as Jason said the time in which it was written and the lives of those who wrote it. Doug, you cannot just throw out the way these men lived out what they wrote, these men were very much dependent on God and on His guidance and direction in the Framing of our Constitution, the most researched document was the Bible .<br />
Even John Jay our first ever Supreme Court Justice said this &#8220;No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom; both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion applied and accepted by all classes. Should our Republic ever forget these fundamental principles of governance, men are certain to shed their responsibilities for licentiousness and this great experiment will surely be doomed”. he even went so far as to say that  “Providence has given unto our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers”.  And even Alexander Hamilton in a letter to James Baynard in 1802 said “I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated “The Christian Constitution Society” its object to be first: The support of Christian Religion. Second: The support of the United States.” so you can&#8217;t say that they didn&#8217;t  mean &#8220;In God we trust&#8221; when they said they did, This nation was founded on Christian Ideology and principles and to say it wasn&#8217;t is to totally throw out and deny history.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you criticize my choice of words (&quot;old habits die hard&quot;), but ignore Madison&#039;s point?

The legislative history of the First Amendment belies the narrow scope you would give it.  The first Congress debated and rejected just such a narrow provision (actually several) and ultimately chose the more broadly phrased prohibition now found in the Amendment.  As reflected in his Detached Memoranda, Madison certainly did not read the Amendment as you suggest.  In keeping with the Amendment&#039;s terms, the courts have wisely interpreted it to restrict the government from taking steps that could establish religion de facto as well as de jure.  Were the Amendment interpreted merely to preclude Congress from enacting a statute formally establishing a national church, the intent of the Amendment could easily be circumvented by Congress and/or the Executive doing all sorts of things to promote this or that religion--stopping just short of formally establishing a church.

The government&#039;s addition of the words &quot;under God&quot; to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 and adoption of the phrase &quot;In God we trust&quot; as a national motto in 1956 were mistakes, which should be corrected. Under the First Amendment, our government has no business promoting or otherwise taking steps to establish religion. The government certainly shouldn&#039;t be proclaiming in a motto on the money it prints for us that it--or we--trust in god. That&#039;s just not the government&#039;s role. The unnecessary insertion of an affirmation of a god in the very pledge that our government calls on its citizens to recite in affirmation of their allegiance to our republic puts atheists and other nonbelievers in a Catch 22: Either recite the pledge with rank hypocrisy or accept exclusion from one of the basic rituals of citizenship enjoyed by all other citizens. The government has no business forcing citizens to this choice on religious grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you criticize my choice of words (&#8220;old habits die hard&#8221;), but ignore Madison&#8217;s point?</p>
<p>The legislative history of the First Amendment belies the narrow scope you would give it.  The first Congress debated and rejected just such a narrow provision (actually several) and ultimately chose the more broadly phrased prohibition now found in the Amendment.  As reflected in his Detached Memoranda, Madison certainly did not read the Amendment as you suggest.  In keeping with the Amendment&#8217;s terms, the courts have wisely interpreted it to restrict the government from taking steps that could establish religion de facto as well as de jure.  Were the Amendment interpreted merely to preclude Congress from enacting a statute formally establishing a national church, the intent of the Amendment could easily be circumvented by Congress and/or the Executive doing all sorts of things to promote this or that religion&#8211;stopping just short of formally establishing a church.</p>
<p>The government&#8217;s addition of the words &#8220;under God&#8221; to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 and adoption of the phrase &#8220;In God we trust&#8221; as a national motto in 1956 were mistakes, which should be corrected. Under the First Amendment, our government has no business promoting or otherwise taking steps to establish religion. The government certainly shouldn&#8217;t be proclaiming in a motto on the money it prints for us that it&#8211;or we&#8211;trust in god. That&#8217;s just not the government&#8217;s role. The unnecessary insertion of an affirmation of a god in the very pledge that our government calls on its citizens to recite in affirmation of their allegiance to our republic puts atheists and other nonbelievers in a Catch 22: Either recite the pledge with rank hypocrisy or accept exclusion from one of the basic rituals of citizenship enjoyed by all other citizens. The government has no business forcing citizens to this choice on religious grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, this is the comment section and not the posting section. I agree almost entirely with your &quot;comment&quot;, however there are certain aspects of it that are stretched a little. First of all your dismissal of all the references by the founding fathers to religion within the bounds of government as simply a case of old habits dying hard is pitiful at best. We have to look at the establishment clause of the first amendment within the confines of the time in which it was written to get a proper perspective of what it meant and how to apply it today. The first amendment was written during a time that Governments of Europe had established state religions, namely the Anglican Church of England, that were not accepting of other points of view. Many of the initial settlers of the United States were here because of a lack of acceptance of their religious views by the established state religions of Europe. The establishment clause was placed there to prevent a state established religion, but it did not say that the government was not allowed to use the principles and values of a specific religion and apply it within government. Thing like a pledge of allegiance with “Under God” and legal tender with “In God we trust” are not prohibited by the establishment clause, but are principles on which the government was built and designed. For the sake of brevity in the comments section I end this now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, this is the comment section and not the posting section. I agree almost entirely with your &#8220;comment&#8221;, however there are certain aspects of it that are stretched a little. First of all your dismissal of all the references by the founding fathers to religion within the bounds of government as simply a case of old habits dying hard is pitiful at best. We have to look at the establishment clause of the first amendment within the confines of the time in which it was written to get a proper perspective of what it meant and how to apply it today. The first amendment was written during a time that Governments of Europe had established state religions, namely the Anglican Church of England, that were not accepting of other points of view. Many of the initial settlers of the United States were here because of a lack of acceptance of their religious views by the established state religions of Europe. The establishment clause was placed there to prevent a state established religion, but it did not say that the government was not allowed to use the principles and values of a specific religion and apply it within government. Thing like a pledge of allegiance with “Under God” and legal tender with “In God we trust” are not prohibited by the establishment clause, but are principles on which the government was built and designed. For the sake of brevity in the comments section I end this now.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://www.islandoflogic.com/index.php/2009/07/08/the-separation-of-church-and-state/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In discussing issues of separation of church and state, it is critical to distinguish the &quot;public square&quot; from &quot;government.&quot;  The principle of separation of church and state does not purge religion from the public square--far from it.  Indeed, the First Amendment&#039;s &quot;free exercise&quot; clause assures that each individual is free to exercise and express his or her religious views--publicly as well as privately.  And in practice, there is plenty of religion out there in the public square; I see and hear of it daily on the street, on the radio, on the TV, on the internet, etc.  

The First Amendment&#039;s &quot;establishment&quot; clause constrains only the government not to promote or otherwise take steps toward establishment of religion.  When an individual acts in an official capacity on a government matter (e.g., a public school teacher instructing students in the classroom), he or she should conform to the First Amendment constraints on government.  When an individual participates in an official event as an individual rather than as a government agent, he or she presumably has the freedom to express religious views.  While figuring out whether someone is acting in an official or private capacity in any given circumstance can be complex, recognizing the distinction is critical.

James Madison, who had a central role in drafting the Constitution and the First Amendment, understood them to &quot;[s]trongly guard[] . . . the separation between Religion and Government.&quot;  Madison, Detached Memoranda (1817).  Mindful that old habits die hard and that tendencies of citizens and politicians could and sometimes did entangle government and religion (e.g., &quot;the appointment of chaplains to the two houses of Congress&quot; and &quot;for the army and navy&quot; and &quot;[r]eligious proclamations by the Executive recommending thanksgivings and fasts&quot;), he questioned whether these were &quot;consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom.&quot;  His response:  &quot;In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative.  The Constitution of the United States forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.&quot;  What then, Madison further inquired, should be made of these various actions already taken in the nation&#039;s then &quot;short history&quot; inconsistent with the Constitution?  Ever practical, he answered not with a demand these actions be undone, but rather with an explanation to circumscribe their ill effect:  &quot;Rather than let this step beyond the landmarks of power have the effect of a legitimate precedent, it will be better to apply to it the legal aphorism de minimis non curat lex [i.e., the law does not concern itself with trifles]: or to class it cum maculis quas aut incuria fudit, aut humana parum cavit natura [i.e., faults proceeding either from negligence or from the imperfection of our nature].&quot;

The First Amendment embodies the simple, just idea that each of us should be free to exercise and express his or her religious views without expecting that the government will endorse or promote his or her views and without fearing that the government will endorse or promote the religious views of others.  By keeping government and religion separate, the establishment clause serves to protect the freedom of all to exercise their religion.

Reasonable people may differ, of course, on how the principles embodied in the First Amendment should be applied in particular situations, but the principles are hardly to be doubted.  Moreover, they are good, sound principles that should be nurtured and defended, not attacked.  Efforts to transform our secular government into some form of government-religion partnership should be resisted by every patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In discussing issues of separation of church and state, it is critical to distinguish the &#8220;public square&#8221; from &#8220;government.&#8221;  The principle of separation of church and state does not purge religion from the public square&#8211;far from it.  Indeed, the First Amendment&#8217;s &#8220;free exercise&#8221; clause assures that each individual is free to exercise and express his or her religious views&#8211;publicly as well as privately.  And in practice, there is plenty of religion out there in the public square; I see and hear of it daily on the street, on the radio, on the TV, on the internet, etc.  </p>
<p>The First Amendment&#8217;s &#8220;establishment&#8221; clause constrains only the government not to promote or otherwise take steps toward establishment of religion.  When an individual acts in an official capacity on a government matter (e.g., a public school teacher instructing students in the classroom), he or she should conform to the First Amendment constraints on government.  When an individual participates in an official event as an individual rather than as a government agent, he or she presumably has the freedom to express religious views.  While figuring out whether someone is acting in an official or private capacity in any given circumstance can be complex, recognizing the distinction is critical.</p>
<p>James Madison, who had a central role in drafting the Constitution and the First Amendment, understood them to &#8220;[s]trongly guard[] . . . the separation between Religion and Government.&#8221;  Madison, Detached Memoranda (1817).  Mindful that old habits die hard and that tendencies of citizens and politicians could and sometimes did entangle government and religion (e.g., &#8220;the appointment of chaplains to the two houses of Congress&#8221; and &#8220;for the army and navy&#8221; and &#8220;[r]eligious proclamations by the Executive recommending thanksgivings and fasts&#8221;), he questioned whether these were &#8220;consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom.&#8221;  His response:  &#8220;In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative.  The Constitution of the United States forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.&#8221;  What then, Madison further inquired, should be made of these various actions already taken in the nation&#8217;s then &#8220;short history&#8221; inconsistent with the Constitution?  Ever practical, he answered not with a demand these actions be undone, but rather with an explanation to circumscribe their ill effect:  &#8220;Rather than let this step beyond the landmarks of power have the effect of a legitimate precedent, it will be better to apply to it the legal aphorism de minimis non curat lex [i.e., the law does not concern itself with trifles]: or to class it cum maculis quas aut incuria fudit, aut humana parum cavit natura [i.e., faults proceeding either from negligence or from the imperfection of our nature].&#8221;</p>
<p>The First Amendment embodies the simple, just idea that each of us should be free to exercise and express his or her religious views without expecting that the government will endorse or promote his or her views and without fearing that the government will endorse or promote the religious views of others.  By keeping government and religion separate, the establishment clause serves to protect the freedom of all to exercise their religion.</p>
<p>Reasonable people may differ, of course, on how the principles embodied in the First Amendment should be applied in particular situations, but the principles are hardly to be doubted.  Moreover, they are good, sound principles that should be nurtured and defended, not attacked.  Efforts to transform our secular government into some form of government-religion partnership should be resisted by every patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: The Island of Logic &#187; IOL takes on lib, so you don&#8217;t have to</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Island of Logic &#187; IOL takes on lib, so you don&#8217;t have to</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jason M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason M</dc:creator>
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		<description>A Constitution that can be bent and molded with the times without being changed with the amending process breaks down the entire rule of law which keeps a civilized society civil. This is what we see today. We have a President and Judiciary that completely disregard their Constitutional restrictions and do whatever they want. This can only go on for so long, we will either fall into anarchy, statism, or dictatorial rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Constitution that can be bent and molded with the times without being changed with the amending process breaks down the entire rule of law which keeps a civilized society civil. This is what we see today. We have a President and Judiciary that completely disregard their Constitutional restrictions and do whatever they want. This can only go on for so long, we will either fall into anarchy, statism, or dictatorial rule.</p>
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		<title>By: lorenzo</title>
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		<description>And yet the further we get away from the Judeo-Christian principles this country was built on, the more we deteriorate as a country and as a society</description>
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